Hannah Hermanson: All right everybody, welcome back to another episode of Hanna Hermanson. Today, I am with a very special guest, Zander Fryer. Zander is a former IT account executive, best-selling author, certified success coach and the founder and CEO of Shit You Don’t Learn In College, which is a coaching company that’s helped hundreds of coaches build six-figure businesses around their passion so they can have a bigger impact in this world. He went from no idea to what he wanted to do with his life to a six-figure coaching business in three months after quitting his corporate job. And now less than two years later he’s leading a team of five who have set out to change the way our education system runs by helping people do what they love full-time.

Zander, this is already great. [laughter] How are you today?

Zander Fryer: I’m doing well. I’m doing well. It’s hard to be bad when you’re doing – when your job is actually something that you’re really passionate about and you’re helping people. So I’m doing really well today.

Hannah: Amazing. I always like to ask folks, where are we speaking to you from?

Zander: Coming in from San Diego. It’s normally hot and sunny here, but it’s actually kind of cloudy right now. So I don’t know what’s going on.

Hannah: Oh, tough.

Zander: I know, right? And I’m really allowed to complain while I’m in San Diego.

Hannah: Awesome. So a question – you know, I’m just going to get right to it with you. Enough of the small talk.

Zander: Sure.

Hannah: So my first question is, do you feel like you are living your dream life now?

Zander: I – short answer, yes.

Hannah: Yes.

Zander: I was actually – it’s interesting because I was actually sitting – I was sitting in my living room the other day. This is probably a couple of weeks ago, and I was worried about – I was anxious about this and that, this thing that I had to worry about in the business and this thing that I had to worry about in the business. I was sitting in my chair in my living room and I looked into my apartment and I kind of just realized like two years ago when I was still in the corporate world like this was actually the exact life that I was dreaming about. This was – having too many coaching calls and like having to worry about making sure the scheduling was set up right, and this and that. I was like this was actually the dream life that I was worried about or not worried about, that I was dreaming of two years longer to actually – and now to be sitting and worrying about it was hilarious. I was like, “This is just silly.” But –

Hannah: This is it. You’re –

Zander: Yes, I’m living it.

Hannah:  You’re so right, right, because when we step into a dream life or we realize things, it’s still real life and that’s so much of where the name of what we’re doing came from. So, take us back to two years ago to that point in your story when you decided to make a change or do something different? What was your catalyst to stepping in to your dream life?

Zander: Yes. I was in the corporate world and I was – it wasn’t like I was in the dead-end job. I was working for Cisco Systems. I was an IT – a systems architect and IT and I was covering companies like Disney and Facebook and NBC. So I had like a standing meeting with the Disney CIO. I was being paid really well. I was a kid in his mid-twenties being paid really well for doing what he was doing. I had the title. I had all the luxuries, like what everybody was telling me was success. But I didn’t feel successful, right? I thought I’ve done everything, right? I thought I’d followed all the rules that everyone was telling you like, “Go do this, go get a good degree at different college, go to into corporate world and excel and really you work hard,” and all those things, and I did it.

But kind of like, I think like every race and every promotion and anything that I was doing, I would get like sharp peaks of joy from that specific thing. But it was shortly kind of followed by like a dull hunger for more. There wasn’t like any real fulfillment. I was just kind of empty. And I’ve been – yes, and I’ve been feeling that for probably a couple of years. I was lucky enough to have a mentor that didn’t let me numb it out anymore. I think that’s probably one of the biggest problems, especially with everybody that kind of gets into that, that monotonous flow is we kind of – we know that there’s an issue and we know that there’s a problem, but we numb it out, right? We pretend like nothing’s wrong. We pretend like we’re happy with where we’re at and we just get content with settling, which I think I could have really easily done, right? Like those golden handcuffs just get getting stronger and stronger as you start to get paid more. But I had a mentor and he was actually corporate – or not a corporate speaker, a professional speaker, and he made great money as a speaker and he just asked me one day. He’s like, “What would you do if you couldn’t fail?” He’s like, “You could do a lot of things like why are you going down this path? What would you do if you couldn’t fail?” I told him, I was like, I was in the Air Force ROTC in college. I was like the one thing that’s been missing in my job is like, “I don’t get to lead, I don’t get to coach, I don’t get to mentor anybody anymore.” I was like if I could like that is very clearly one of the things that’s most important to me I’d be a mentor or a coach full-time. I don’t know what that means, but that’s what I do. And he kind of he – he asked me. He’s like, “Why aren’t you doing that right now?” Right? So he didn’t really let up on it. He’s like, “Well, why aren’t you doing that?” I was like, “Well, I’ve got this great job. They’re paying me a lot of money. I’m getting promotions after promotions. Like, I’m going to be one of the youngest directors in Cisco’s recent history, right? So I was like, “I don’t want to ruin that momentum.” And he was like, “Just because there’s a path laid out in front of you, does that mean you should walk it?” Just you’re good at something does that mean you should actually do it?” And that kind that hit home for me. But right after that he said something that like really changed me. He was like, “Zander, you know the difference between you and me.”

I had – so the reason I didn’t follow through the Air Force is my senior year in college actually got a DUI and I was kicked out of the Air Force.

Hannah: Okay.

Zander: So, he said, “Zander, do you know the difference between you and me?” I said, “Well, you make a shit ton more money than I do.” And he goes, “The difference between you and I, is I’m actually living my dream. And ever since you got kicked out of the Air Force, you’ve just been dreaming one.”

Hannah: Yes.

Zander: He said, “You seem confident, you seem capable. But really, you’re just a scared little kid right now.”

Hannah:  That’s so interesting.

Zander: Yes. You’re scared of doing something you’re unsure of. Yes.

Hannah: I was going to ask that.  Did you feel afraid, right?  Because what would you do if you could not fail?  Like, were you really afraid of failing or was there more of a subconscious fear of failure at that point in your life?

Zander: Yes. And that’s the thing, right? I think it is a subconscious. When we numb it out –

Hannah: Yes.

Zander: It is a subconscious fear. So, we deny it. Consciously, we stop being aware that we’re afraid to go do something with uncertainty, right? I had a known track in front of me. But this was what I really wanted to do. But I wouldn’t do it because it was – it wasn’t uncertain. It wasn’t on – it was unknown. Even if I did believe that it was something I could do, just the idea that like one of the things that I talked to a lot of people about now it’s like, I was numbing out my hell. It was hell to me. But I was numbing it out by pushing it deeper into my subconscious and not allowing it to come up to my conscious. He brought it conscious, right?

He’s like, “The only reason you’re not doing it is because you’re afraid. You’re a scared little kid.” He doesn’t think that he can actually go do that. I realized that for years ever since I got kicked out of the Air Force, I had started to live – I think that everybody makes their decisions from one of two places, right? They either make their decisions from a place of fear or a place of purpose. Right?

I realize that somewhere along those lines, I’d started making all my decisions from a place – not all of them, but majority of them from a place of fear, right? Fear of uncertainty, fear of people judging me for doing something different, fear of failing, fear of – all of those things, right? Like, eventually, it was like, “Well, if I go do this, then I’m not going to be able to figure out how to turn it into an income and then I’m going to at it and then I’m going to lose my rent and then I’m going to be homeless and my family’s not going to love me because I’m unsuccessful. So then I’m going to die.

Hannah: Yes.

Zander: Right? We take ourselves down that path subconsciously even if consciously we don’t want to admit it.

Hannah: Yes. I love that differentiation and I think that it’s not conscious because to make a decision based on purpose is not natural or even taught.

Zander: Yes.

Hannah: We are taught and some of what you’re saying sounds like you’ve had a similar experience that we’re taught to follow the path like do the right thing, climb the ranks and some of these ideas that might be more in alignment with your purpose just aren’t even presented to you until you have an amazing mentor. For me actually, I had one of the students I was advising turned it on me because I was asking him questions in an advising session, like what’s your path, what’s the next step. He asked me, “What would you be doing if you could do anything?” I was like, “Well, not this, but like–” [crosstalk]

Zander: You’re like, “You’re not supposed to ask me that.” Right?

Hannah: Right, right.

Zander: You’re not supposed to bring up my fears.

Hannah: Those questions along our path that call out our purpose are the ones that usually shake us up.

Zander: Yes. Truthfully right, like that was something that I realize is like when I did act from a place of purpose, it was scary. Every single time I made a decision truthfully from a place of purpose, I had to face a fear. I had to be courageous to make those decisions. It doesn’t matter how big it is or how small it is, right? It’s like the courageous decision to like, if you set your alarm for 6:00 in the morning, right? It’s a courageous decision to wake up for that alarm even though you stayed up late, right? Or you could just be like, “Oh no, I’m just tired and I’m afraid that I’m going to be too tired the rest of the day, so I hit snooze,” or something like that, right?

But you start to see all these little decisions throughout your life that you’re actually making from a place of fear. A lot of the times we deny it, right? So for years, I denied that I was in this job from a place of fear, right? I said, “No, it’s purposeful. I’m growing. I’m getting – so I was justifying it, right? I would find anything I could do to justify it. Right? I was getting – I was being paid while I was getting promotions. I had this great title.”

Hannah: I’m helping the team.

Zander: I was helping the team. I had – I loved my clients. I loved – like all the – I would do anything I could do to justify it. Once I realize that simply the fact that I was trying to justify it, was just proving to myself that I was scared.

Hannah: So how do you move from, okay, that wake-up call, that realization, “Okay, I’ve got some fear.” Did you quit that day, your job and run to the beach? Like, what are those next steps that maybe–

Zander: So, I will preface the next couple parts of the story with, I do not actually suggest anybody do what Zander does.

Hannah: [laughs] But here’s proof that you can survive whatever decisions come next. [laughs]

Zander: Exactly. Right. So that was on a Saturday and I could not stop thinking about that talk all of Sunday. One of the other things that he said to me he’s like, “Zander, you realize that the one resource that’s more important than your money is your time, and you will never get your time back.” I remember that Monday I went back to work and I had like the Monday morning conference calls lined up. It was like 8:00 to 9:00 to like set up more conference calls for later that week. Then it was like 9:00 to 10:00.  So, go through like sales numbers and then 10:00 to 11:00 and then 11:00 to 12:00. I remember each hour I went through like 8:00 to 9:00, it was like, “I’ll never get that hour back.” Then 9:00 to 10:00, I just couldn’t stop thinking like, “I’m never going to get this hour back.” By the time it hit noon, I wasted half a day and I was like, “I’m never going to get that Monday back.

Hannah: Yes.

Zander: I called out my manager, like during that lunch I called out my manager and was like, “Frank, I’m done.” And he was like, “What do you mean you’re done? I’m like, “I’m done.” He’s like, “Did you find another job? You get another offer? Like what do you mean you’re done?” I was like, “I don’t know what I mean, but I’m done and I’m quitting and not going to—“

Hannah: Wow.

Zander: Like, “What are you what going to do?” I was like, “I don’t know, but I know this isn’t it.” That was literally all I knew. I just knew that, that wasn’t it.

Hannah: That’s amazing. You’re in a place in your life early to mid-20s, I’m assuming, not even a family yet or even –

Zander: I was 27 when I officially made the call. But, yes.

Hannah: Yes, yes. When you preface that story, I was like, “Oh, I wonder what he did. What’s the thing that he’s not going to recommend?” I have to admit I did the same thing. And it is difficult to prescribe to people to say, “Quit everything and run to the beach.” I said that like a joke. But that’s actually what I did as well. It’s hard to prescribe that to people who are in different life circumstances. But talk to us about the power of shutting the backdoor and having only the option to pursue your dreams or figure out something new for yourself.

Zander: Yes, and I think – the way that you described it, right, is I have no problem telling somebody to quit cold turkey. But the reason that I don’t do it is because it’s a decision that you have to make.

Hannah: Right.

Zander: It’s a decision that you have to make. If somebody tells you to quit, it’s not the same. Commit to yourself to, like you just mentioned, shutting the backdoor. That’s the difference. When you commit to yourself – I remember – another way that I like to put it, right, is like you’ll never be able to find new lands if you’re too afraid to lose the side of the shore, right?

Hannah: Yes.

Zander: You’ve got to be willing to venture past sight of the shore to go find new lands. I remember when I told my mom, which was hilarious, her golden boy had just quit his job and this – so she was scared, the most amazing supportive woman ever. But her first thing was like I don’t think you should do that, first of all. And then second of all like, “Well, you’re great at engineering so you can always like make sure you keep up on your engineering work so you can go back if you need to.” Right?

Hannah: Keep that backdoor. I just think we’ve got similar advice. Yes.

Zander: I remember telling her. I said, “I don’t think you understand. There is no going back.” When I said that to her, there was something that really clicked for me that was like, “Holy shit, like this is actually real.” Right? This is 100 – there is no backdoor. There’s no way I can ever go back. I actually remember- so when I told my manager, they ended up giving me a very lucrative offer to stay. Basically, I did a little exercise. He’s like get – he was like, “Here’s where you are on the rankings. Like, here’s our plan for you. Like, give us you – basically like give us a list demands,” is what he said. I actually went through the exercise and I put it together and I was like, “You’re going to pay me 50% more. I’m going to be working 9 to 12. These are the only things that I’m going to be doing.”

Hannah: Wow.

Zander: It was disgusting. I gave it to him, and he was like, “Okay, let’s see what we can do with this.” And I said, “Honestly, I don’t want it.” And that’s when I knew that I was committed. It was – it didn’t matter what they would give me because it wasn’t about the money, it wasn’t about any amount of hours or whatever that would stroke my ego, sure, like that would be amazing to the ego. But it was like it still wasn’t me.

Hannah: Yes, it would be that next level of numbness and you find some other way to fill a void.

Zander: Exactly. So that was – for me that was the moment that I realized like there was no backdoor. There was no turning back. It was like, “I was going to do this or I was actually going to die.” Obviously, we know that you’re not going to die, but like when you’re doing that, like that’s the fear that comes up for you, right? So yes, shutting that backdoor is so important. It doesn’t – yes, I don’t think it necessarily mean – it’s a mental state, right? So again, it’s not like some people can quit their job and not shut the backdoor.

Hannah: Right. And it had that conversation with the next naysayer or mom and sways and go look for a part-time job and just go down –

Zander: Some people can still be in their 9 to 5 but they’ve already shut the backdoor. And it’s just a matter of time before that. So it’s not necessarily whether or not you quit or it’s actually – it’s a mental state that you have to commit to yourself 100% like I’m going to live from a place of purpose, not from a place of fear anymore.

Hannah: Absolutely. I think a lot of people listening to this can relate to that place of being a 100% in their mind, but not a 100% in their exercise or their –

Zander: Yes.

Hannah: Their embodiment of their decisions or their dream life. So I would love for you to share just a little bit of what your story with Jack Canfield. I’m a big proponent of the work that he teaches. And maybe talk to us a little bit about the success coaching that you kind of walked into or took yourself towards.

Zander: Sure. Yes. So like one of the things right after I quit I at that point kind of like you realize I had no idea what I was doing I just knew that it wasn’t the corporate world. I knew that I wanted to coach and mentor. I was a big fan of self-development ever since the Air Force. So John Maxwell, Jack Canfield, Bob Proctor, like all those guys. And Jack’s work just really resonated with me. It was a big reason why I had the courage to just act from a place of purpose, believe that it was possible even though I was scared shitless. It was his work that kind of gave me the courage to do that.

So, a couple days after I quit, I actually – I basically just Google like Jack Canfield phone number and just called up his office. So I called up his office, ended up just, “Hey, my name is Zander. I got on the phone with one of his Director of Operations.” It was just like, “Hey, my name is Zander. Can I come hang out with you guys?” [laughs] Literally, like about two hours later, I had a flight out to Arizona to go meet with them, do his training and then go through breakthrough to success and just hang out with his team to learn everything that he had done.

One of the things that I realized was like I want to learn to be a mentor or a coach. I see this guy who’s been doing it for the better part of 4 or 5 decades, right? Why would I, not just go soak up everything that he has to offer and like approach it like a blank slate because he spent 50 years basically curating this for me? So I ended up basically going and working with him for the next couple of weeks and then the next couple of months went through his training programs and worked with a lot of his, people on his executive team like Dr. Deb Sandella, Kathleen Seeley, all of those people to really learn everything that I wanted to learn about being a coach.

Hannah: Amazing and within a couple of months, you had your business up and running.

Zander: Yes.

Hannah: I think that is such a real-life and powerful example of first, yes, shutting the backdoor, standing in your purpose or at least the intention to find it, and then leaping out in a simple Google search. [laughs] We have so many resources and people and books at our fingertips that I’m – yes, I took a bit longer to kind of get off the couch and off the beach before I was like, “All right, let me find some helpers and some people.”

Zander: Yes.

Hannah: So I know that’s great.

Zander: I think that that was a big thing. The two things there for me, right, like one of them was like I knew and this kind of goes back to like me being like, “Look, the one resource I will never get back is my time.” I was like, “I am expediting my process to living my dream life no matter what it takes,” right? And I think – so that was a big thing for me. I knew that –

Hannah: Short cuts exist.

Zander: Yes, like for me it was like I could figure this out. I’m resilient. I’m smart. I can figure this out. We all learned from the school of hard knocks like making mistakes and having successes. But what most people don’t realize is like you can learn from others mistakes and other’s successes faster. Right? So like, I wasn’t afraid to just be like, “I’m going to find these people and learn from them so that I don’t have to spend the next three years of my life trying to figure this out.” Then a lot of people are like, “Well, how could you just reach out to Jack Canfield?” I was like, well, if I wasn’t working with Jack then, and if I didn’t reach out to him, I still wouldn’t be working with him. And I did reach out to him and he said, “No, I still wouldn’t be working with him.” And I’d be in the exact same spot for all of those.

But if he said, “Yes, it could be life-changing. So why would I not just take the chance to just reach out and see what happens?”

Hannah: Incredible. I feel you. That question of what’s the worst thing that could happen? And you oftentimes like, you just described, you end up in the same place.

Zander: Yes.

Hannah: And if that’s the worst thing that could happen –

Zander: Is that that terrible? Because I’m already there. [laughs]

Hannah: Great. So tell us just a little bit about what don’t we learning in college or what don’t they teach us in college and what are you working on now in your, yes, in your company?

Zander: A lot of stuff. [laughs]

Hannah: A lot of shit. [laughs]

Zander: Yes, a lot of shit that you don’t learn in college. I think the basis of it, right? You kind of mention on this a little bit. But the way that our education system is set up right now and I obviously have a very biased opinion on this. But the way that our education is set up right now is actually – it’s a very militaristic way of having an education system, right? So, if you look at all the way back at like ancient Greece, right? You can actually go back to ancient Greece and you can see that to be in ancient Greece the education system was set up that to be a contributing member of society it was part of what’s called the Trivium or the Quadrivium, right?

So there’s three major areas that you had to focus on. There was logic or ration, right? So being logical. There was critical thinking, right? So learning to question critically. And there was grammar rhetorically, rhetoric, learning how to learn. Right? So learning how to learn, critical thinking, the ability to question things for where they’re at right now and being logical, irrational in your own sense as an individual. Right?

And that was drastically shifted when Roman times came because what was Rome all about? It was a militaristic society and they wanted soldiers. So they – what doesn’t work for a soldier? Someone who critically thinks, right? Someone who critically thinks, someone that can learn on their own outside of the system. Right? Someone, who can rationally logic themselves out of a situation, so that actually doesn’t make a very good soldier.

So, the education systems going up through Roman times and all the way up in a capitalist society have been designed around keep having worker bees, having soldiers to run corporations, things like that. And what that’s created, it’s created a lot – we see this now. It’s created a society of a lot of people that end up – essentially, it’s like – God, what is it? It’s like 70% of recent college graduates right now are either unemployed or in a partial time work because either they can’t find work in our society or it’s not something that actually connects with them. At the same time, the people who do find work, 80% of all 9 to 5 employees suffer some work-related stress because it’s not aligned with who they are as a person.

This is crazy to me. Right? But it’s the way that our system is set up right now to move people in a line to this one thing rather than being an individual having a purpose, having a mission, figuring out your own stuff, right? Being able to learn on your own, being able to critically think and question and being able to logically ration yourself into a life that you actually want to live.

Hannah: Yes. This sounds like it comes back to the point you meant about either asking questions or answering questions based on fear or purpose.

Zander: Exactly.

Hannah: Like we mention, we’re so trained to just – to not even consider the purpose. Where is that anywhere in our education, in our experience and most of the examples around us?

Zander: Yes. And it’s becoming very, very, very apparent. That’s why there’s such huge push back on the education system right now. That’s why so many high school graduates are actually opting out of going to college. Right? They see their older brothers or their older sisters that paid $100,000 to go to a university and then don’t have a job afterwards. Right? They see the problems that are going on. They’re like, “Oh, why would I do that?” Right? “Like why would I spend a $100,000 to go not learn what I need to learn to be successful in society?”

Hannah: Right.

Zander: So I see this shift is happening already. We’re just going to make it happen a little bit faster. [laughs]

Hannah: Yes. So the education is a huge beast. I’ve worked in it many different places, I’ve attempted to be an activist for change. Where are you like zeroing in the system?

Zander: Right now, yes, so right now we’re focusing at the tip of the spear. We’re focusing with entrepreneurs.

Hannah: Yes, the runaway soldiers.

Zander:  Exactly. That’s exactly what it is. It’s the runaway soldiers. The ones that not only are aware of the problem but are, actively pursuing actively pursuing fixing the problem. Right? Just like you mentioned like, I know that I’m not going to fix this system. But if I can go help the Hannah’s of the world, if I can go help all my clients that are coaches and entrepreneurs and looking to make change, right? The leaders of the world are the entrepreneurs of today and tomorrow. So, if you can help enable them to pursue that purpose, right? One of the biggest hurdles for entrepreneurs is – and so many people, right? The fear is monetization. It is by far the biggest fear that is holding entrepreneurs’ back from pursuing their purpose and mission fully.

So, what a lot of what we focus on, one of our main programs at Shit You Don’t Learn in College right now is helping coaches spin up six-figure businesses in less than 90 days. Because as soon as a coach, right? Coaches always have purposeful intention. They always have this goal, this vision, this problem they’re looking to solve. As soon as you can help them pursue it full-time, they actually go create that change in the world. So if I can help lead entrepreneurs and coaches and the world changers of tomorrow to be able to do it full-time rather than doing it kind of dabbling in it as a hobby on the side, that’s going to be what creates the change.

Hannah: All in. Yes. For my yogi listeners and friends, we talked about this in the same way you’re doing it. But it’s like anatomical level, at a spiritual level. When you take care of that sacral chakra like your basic needs of like having income, then we can then go up to higher level thinking and pursuing your purpose. And yes, it’s just a reality of the capitalist society.

Zander: Yes. It’s Maslow’s hierarchy, like you got to start with those basic needs before you can actually reach like self-actualization.

Hannah: I love it. All right. Are you ready? We are in the education theme already. But I love to put my guests through a little pop quiz.

Zander: Oh sure, let’s do it.

Hannah: Three rapid-fire questions? [laughs] All right. What is one thing you would urge people to go do today to get a little bit closer to their dream life, whether it’s an exercise or a book or a – what’s one thing we can do today?

Zander: To get closer to their dream life. I would go do – there’s a lot of things you could do. But I would go do the one thing that you’re scared of doing most right now, whatever that may be.

Hannah: Maybe it’s shutting the backdoor.

Zander: Yes. It could be shutting the backdoor. It could be something as simple as like one of the things that I tell every single one of my clients to do is like going and giving five random people hugs.

Hannah: Oh.

Zander: Right? Just getting out of your comfort zone to be to be successful as building your dream life like we just kind of talked about, right? To build your dream life, you have to have courage. You have to make your decisions from a place of purpose and not from a place of fear and you have to go do more of those things that get you out of your comfort zone. Right?

Because every time you get out of your comfort zone, you survive a small risk and it builds confidence. So even if it’s just going and hugging five random strangers, if it’s going and having lunch by yourself, right? Like the weird things that you think like would judge you for, right? Like if you’re a guy going and telling that girl that you think is cute that she’s cute. If you’re a girl, going and telling that guy that you think is cute, that he’s cute. Right? Like whatever it is, it could be something a little like that or it could be something big, like quitting your job. Whatever it is that you’re afraid to do, like Ryan Holiday, a good friend of mine actually wrote the book The Obstacle Is The Way. Right? So truthfully, whatever it is that you’re scared to do, I would bet you like 95% of the time that’s actually exactly what you need to do to build that dream life. And by you not doing it even if it doesn’t seem like its part of everything, it is. Right?

Because it is that habitual thought process of like you not doing that just creeps over into every other part of your life. So, I would say find the one thing that you are uncomfortable doing right now and go do it today.

Hannah: A plus. Practice making courageous decisions. All right. Question number two. What is one resource you would recommend listeners check out? Whether it’s a website, an app, a book, a person?

Zander: Okay. This is another – I feel like I’m giving you roundabout answers. But here’s another one with this. I actually don’t like giving people resources, and here’s why. Most people are information gatherers. I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve suggested a book that has changed my life and that person read it, and was like, “Yes, that’s good. I’m like, “But are you implementing it?” And they’re like, “No.” I was like, “Yes, that’s why your life is still in the same damn spot.” So here’s another roundabout way of me saying, “I’m not going to suggest to you any resources. But what I will say is whatever resource that you’re working on right now,” because I know the people that are listening to this have a resource.

Hannah: Right.

Zander: They’re reading a book. They’re listening to this podcast. They’re listening to other podcasts. I wouldn’t say that I’m going to suggest your resource. What I would say is take the resource you have in front of you right now and execute one thing on it.

Hannah: Action.

Zander: Yes.

Hannah: Great. All right. Our very last question is where can we learn more about you or stay connected to the work that you’re doing?

Zander: Sure. Yes. So you can go to Zandarfryer.com. That’s Z-A-N-D-E-R F-R-Y-E-R.com. And you can reach out to us from there. You can check out some of the things that we’re doing with Shit You Don’t Learn In College, our high-impact coaching group.  And then if you want to follow me on Instagram, Twitter, anything you can follow me at again at Zander Fryer. So, at Z-A-N-D-E-R F-R-Y-E-R. Anybody, feel free to reach out to me on DM, on Instagram. I love talking to people. I love helping them move forward. If you’ve got something that’s coming up for you, feel free to reach out. Shoot me an email.

You can contact me from my website. But I love helping people do courageous thing. So–

Hannah: This is huge. I strive to bring real people on to the show. And it always means so much when they extend that warm welcome to really reach out for anything that maybe resonated with you. So we’ll make sure there are links, so that you can stay connected with Zander Fryer. Any final words of wisdom or parting pieces of advice?

Zander: I think – probably the parting piece of advice is the same advice that my mentor gave to me. Just remember that the one resource that you can never get more of is your time. So just stop wasting it.

Hannah: Time. It’s time. Let’s go make our dream life our real life. Thank you so much, Zander. We will see you on our next episode.

Zander: Thanks for having me.

Hannah: Of course.

for me, that might want to do something more, something different.

And so perhaps this podcast will give you permission to do something more, something different? Or perhaps this podcast will give you inspiration and make you feel great that there are people in the world chasing their dreams and making it real.  Or maybe you’re just someone who is curious about how people live.

There so many stories that we’re going to be sharing on this podcast in many different walks of life from educators to entrepreneurs to moms.  There are so many ways that dream life can be embodied.  And I want to help showcase as many stories and strategies as possible to have more of you get into your dream life.

And I hope that you will hear also on this podcast at your highest self, your dream life, is not far away. And so, you will be hearing on every episode of ways that you can take steps to get closer and closer.

We will have new episodes every single week which means you have opportunities to connect with new real people living the dream.  You’ll have the opportunity to connect with them after each episode and you will also be encouraged to take action after each episode.  And I promise you that if you take action on the strategies prescribed or given to you in this podcast, you will be in a radically different place in a few months.

The reason why I’m launching this podcast it’s because I can only work with so many clients one on one. Most seventh graders are not taping into personal development or podcast.  And if you are welcome, I adore you.  The podcast is really so that these principles, these strategies, these real-life lessons can reach more people.

And so, I hope that you take that to heart and share this with anyone who might need a little more inspiration or support.  Because I get you.  Just like I felt that nobody got me.  I get you now.